Rumbi Mabambe: Episode Description
On this episode of The Inspiration Project, Brendan Corr talks to Rumbi Mabambe executive officer of the Chain Reaction Foundation in the Mount Druitt Learning Ground about how Rumbi got involved with Chain Reaction Foundation, What life was like growing up in Zimbabwe to then coming to live in Australia, life as an Immigrant, giving children in disadvantaged homes better opportunities to thrive, helping children feel like they are able to do and be more than they think, how to help children who struggle with their identity and how Rumbi continues to find strength to show up for disadvantaged children in tough situations.
Episode Summary
- How Rumbi became a Christian
- How Rumbi got involved with Chain Reaction Foundation in the Mount Druitt Learning Ground
- Growing up in Zimbabwe and then coming to Australia as an Immigrant
- Giving children in disadvantaged homes better opportunities to thrive
- Helping children feel like they are “Able” to do and be more than they think
- How to help children who struggle with their identity
- How Rumbi continues to find strength to show up for disadvantaged children in tough communities and households
Rumbi Mabambe: Episode Transcript
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Introduction
Welcome to The Inspiration Project, where well-known Christians share their stories to inspire young people in their faith and life. Here’s your host, Brendan Corr.
Brendan Corr
Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of The Inspiration Project podcast. That opportunity for us to enjoy conversations with people who have made significant contributions through their life and their service and their profession, and have been able to do so while preserving a strong commitment and expression of their Christian faith. Today, we’re having a conversation with Rumbi Mabambe. Rumbi is the Executive Officer of the Chain Reaction Foundation in the Mount Druitt Learning Ground. She has a philosophy about how students learn best when they’re also invited into a conversation around their learning program. That program has been recently recognised with a Zest Award as the most exceptional project in a not-for-profit organisation. Rumbi, it’s very much my pleasure to have this chance to talk with you about these wonderful organisations that you’ve been a part of. And we want to hear exactly what is the Chain Reaction Foundation in the Mount Druitt Learning Ground. Maybe you can explain the basis and the intention of those organisations that you’re part of.
Rumbi Mabambe
Thank you. Thank you for having me on this podcast, Brendan. The Chain Reaction Foundation is an organisation that began over 20 years ago, and it was looking at how Australia can grow as a society with more social cohesion. Through many long, unhurried conversations, in the early 2000s, our founder, her name is Margaret Bell, was also the founder of the volunteer centre in New South Wales and went on to establish Volunteering in New South Wales and led a really strong civic life. But in her retirement, she began these conversations in different communities around Australia, and one of those conversations was had in Mount Druitt. There, some of the community leaders and elders came together and said that they were worried about young people and the fact that young people were growing up and not having a sense of really a positive outlook for their future. And so through long, unhurried conversations, they began a programme called Mount Druitt Learning Ground. And when it began, the Aboriginal elders in Mount Druitt asked Margaret if she could call the place, Learning Ground, a place where young people’s learning is grounded in the knowledge of themselves, and also to recognise the value of connection as essential to young people’s learning. And so that’s how Chain Reaction began and how Learning Ground began. And it’s now quite an established centre for behavioural change, working particularly with young people who are disconnecting from school and society and are in need of that extra bit of help in order to re-engage with their learning. And also run in-school programmes called Learning Ground In School, and we are working mostly in Western and Southwestern Sydney at the moment.
Brendan Corr
That’s fantastic. And you’ve become involved in some of the leadership of these two organisations, the executive officer of each of those. How did you get involved?
Rumbi Mabambe
Yes. But I became executive director in July, actually. I’ve been promoted.
Brendan Corr
Oh, wonderful. Congratulations on that. Our information’s a little bit out of date.
Rumbi Mabambe
Thank you. So I began working with Learning Ground in January 2018. And I had gone through a season, as with most of those pivotal moments in life. I had gone through a really tough season with my youngest child being unwell and finding the need to commute to the city. I had quite a corporate job, which was quite difficult for me to be a mum to a sick child and be working in a corporate role in the city. And I was praying to God. I said, “I need something local and I need something part-time, and I needed to be about working with young children or working with adolescents.” I’d also been volunteering. At that time, I’d been volunteering as a mentor to young people who were in families where there is no one in their family who’s gone to university and no one in their family who’s been in a more corporate role. And I was role modelling in a way, so providing that adult example. And so at that moment, I thought, “Why can’t I do this as a job?” And I was asking God. And so I saw this role advertised and I went in to have a conversation then with Margaret. I went to have an interview, which became a conversation because we were, in a way, so connected in our understanding and our vision and what we hoped. And so it became quite a really good moment, and which has become what I hope will be my life’s work, truly.
Brendan Corr
That is a wonderful thing for you to profess that you feel that you’re involved in such important work that you’d be happy to see this as the avenue of your service until God calls you somewhere else, obviously, but that you feel a real fulfilment in that. I’m interested to hear. You talk about the fact that you were talking to God about your future and where He might be better able to allow you to be authentic to the season and circumstances of your life but also offer ministry. Can you unpack for us, can you share with us, how did faith become part of your life? How was it that God became somebody that you could talk to and knew would answer you when you were asked those sorts of questions?
Rumbi Mabambe
I grew up in Zimbabwe, which is in Southern Africa. It’s a beautiful place. I’d encourage anybody listening to visit one day. And I grew up in a family. My father was the only son, and my grandmother was a young woman when she became blind, and she also lost her husband at the same time. My father was about five years old. And so then she was a young, blind woman in rural Zimbabwe with a child and no way of seeing him through an education. And so she took him to some missionaries, and she asked them if they could send him to school and that he would help them around the house. And she advocated and said, “He’s a good boy and he’ll do okay.” And after a lot of that, it didn’t happen instantly, she finally found a couple that were willing to look after him. And so he would be with them during the school term, and then during school holidays, he’d go back home and be with her. And so that was his life growing up. And those missionaries were part of the Lutheran Church, and that became my parents’ church when they were raising us. So we were raised in the Lutheran Church and had that understanding of God. But God became more personal to me when I was older. When I was in my early teens, I understood the personal nature of the relationship and Jesus as a friend and the Holy Spirit as a comforter, and then that became my faith.
Brendan Corr
Amen. What a wonderful story. I’ve had the privilege of visiting Zimbabwe a couple of times. And you are right, it is a beautiful country and the people are exceptionally kind and generous and open. But it is a country that has known hardship. It is a society that has suffered through some very tough political and economic social disruption. When did you find yourself here in Australia?
Rumbi Mabambe
I came with my husband in 2010, and we came really looking for better opportunities for ourselves and our children. I have to say that I did have quite a privileged background. My dad was able to get really good work from his education, and in return, get me well-educated. So I was in a position to be able to come to Australia from a place of strength. But as with all immigrant journeys, when you get to Australia, you have to reinvent yourself. So I trained as an agricultural economist, and I could not get a role as an economist. So I decided to reinvent myself. And I worked in the not-for-profit space for a few years. I say that I was fortunate because that is how I feel. But one of my first CEOs was somebody who really just believed in me and opened up opportunities, allowed me to try projects, and really took time to show me how an organisation is run. And so that put me in a position to be in my next role, and he encouraged me into my next role and said, “You need to pitch yourself higher because you’ve had the training.” And so to have somebody else come alongside and say that gives you a bit of confidence to go forward.
Brendan Corr
Yes. It seems to me that you have been ideally primed in your experience to understand, at a very foundational level and a very practical level, the intrinsic benefit of education, that having experienced the benefits of it yourself in your homeland when so many others in Zimbabwe don’t have access to good, strong, consistent education. And to have arrived in a new country with an attitude, not just to rest on your laurels, not just to say, “Well, my learning has been done and I’ve got the degree on the wall.” “I need to keep learning and learn things that are new and learn things about how organisations work.” You’ve lived that priority of how an education is ongoing and how it does open up so many opportunities that would not be there otherwise.
Rumbi Mabambe
That’s absolutely true, and what I’ve found in my work is that for the young people that I work with, they are young people that. People say that Australia is a place of opportunity, and sometimes there’s actually quite a demeaning narrative that says people should just get on with it because the opportunities are there. But the reality is there are a lot of young people who are growing up with these opportunities, but they’re not revealed to them. And they also do not believe themselves to be able. For a young person to say that, “I am able,” they have to be built up to it. And when we ask a lot of people who are successful about people who’ve inspired them in the past, a lot of teachers show up there because sometimes the teacher is the one person in a child’s life who is actually giving them hope about a future beyond their current circumstance.
Brendan Corr
I think that is such an important point that you’re making, Rumbi, is that there undoubtedly are external factors, things about economies, things about the society structure and distribution of wealth, access. All of those can be very real, but they’re only part of the factor. One of the things I wanted to ask you about as I was reading your bio, your information before our conversation, is that you have a heart for vulnerable and troubled kids. I wanted to ask you, what do you see as the causes for there being vulnerable and troubled kids? Is it something that is at a family level? Is it societal? Is it individual? Is it spiritual? Maybe you can unpack some of your thoughts on that. You’ve started to suggest the complexity of understanding a child’s circumstances. Maybe you could take that a little further for us.
Rumbi Mabambe
There are definitely a lot of societal, and structural issues that keep people cycling through the same issues that their parents have in the past. It’s so difficult to break into that. Some of them are thought patterns, their belief systems that are really difficult to shake. And so some of the work that we do with young people, it’s around social and emotional learning, that psychoeducational learning because our lives can be quite experiential. So the things that we have gone through impact how we view life and how we meet opportunities. If you have grown up believing that you cannot, and you have been told you cannot… We have a lot of young people that we work with whose parents or have gone through the justice system or a relative, and they’re told, “Well, you look like Uncle Tom, you’re going to end up like Uncle Tom.” And that is repeated in a young person’s life. If there are no other adults speaking life into that young person, that becomes quite a core belief that is difficult to shake. So I like the work of Urie Bronfenbrenner. One of his sayings is that “Every child needs at least one adult who is irrationally crazy about him or her. And that a young person’s development is so linked to an adult in their life who is speaking life, who is showing them a path or telling them that they can do things and that they can believe in themselves.” And so it’s that psychosocial learning, it’s learning about ourselves, it’s learning about others and learning about how our life experiences impact what we do. So as an example, you can think about there are certain smells that bring up a memory, and for each person that memory is different. So the smell of freshly baked bread, for some it’s a beautiful memory, it’s home, it’s grandmother’s house maybe. And for others, it could be a reminder of lack. You smell freshly baked bread that you never could have. So each person’s approach to that is different, but the power is in a person beginning to develop knowledge of who they are and what those things are for them so that they can respond in a more informed way when something happens.
Brendan Corr
When you were unpacking the intentions or the philosophy of both the Chain Reaction Foundation and the Mount Druitt Learning Ground, you spoke about part of the intention of those projects to create a positive outlook for the participants, and for the young people you’re working with. And one of the things that I’m hearing is that that has to have two dimensions to it. There needs to be a positive outlook that is their identity, that they think better of themselves, or they think that there is value in their own future. Not that they deserve it, but they can take hold of it. But then there’s also the practical pathways, “How do I go about that?” Are they the sorts of two things that you’re trying to do simultaneously, “Here are the steps you can take and this is who you are as you take those steps”?
Rumbi Mabambe
So that is what we’re trying to do. But the first part of it, which is that learning of yourself, for us, it’s psychoeducational. So there’s a lot of educational psychology underlying it. And we are allowing a young person to discover for themselves, who they are. And within the program, we talk about the five times, which are the physical me, social me, emotional me, spiritual me, and the thinking me. But we believe that all those times are part of a person, and each one requires care. And so when we are talking to a young person, we can then reflect back on it sometimes and say, “Well, now, which me do you think needs support at this time?” So that fundamental knowing of self. And then step two is a recognition of others being the same way. So you understand yourself and then you also open yourself up to understand others and how we are all different, but fundamentally we’re the same. And then the third part is where we are asking them to think about their future and the values that they want to live with. And also, we are looking at opportunities for them. Absolutely. Our main avenue is we want them to stay in school. That’s our main aim. We recognise sometimes that some children cannot, some young people cannot. So when they’re in year 10, we can talk about what else they could do other than remain in school. But we truly believe that we want each young person that leaves our centre, in particular, for us to have the certainty that they know what they’re going to do next and they’re feeling positive about it.
Brendan Corr
Maybe as I’m hearing you explain that notion of understanding the complexity of your own identity, understanding how you exist as an individual in social connection with other people, and I phrased the question I just presented to you about giving a sense of optimism, a sense of… You used the word “positive outlook.” I might use the word “hope” in more of a spiritual sense, a gospel sense, which I think is the same. Not exactly the same, but you know what I’m saying. And I said not that anyone deserves that, that they deserve success or they deserve opportunity or recognition. But it’s almost the opposite, that they don’t deserve hardship and they don’t deserve the mistreatment or the lack of recognition that so often is part of students who are struggling to find themselves or to know themselves.
Rumbi Mabambe
Yes. And I have to agree with that, that we do want them to know that it’s not their fault. Because a lot of young people carry guilt around their circumstances and around the actions of adults in their lives. So we want them to know that it’s not their fault, but that they have a personal choice about what they’re going to do. So we don’t want them to feel that, “Oh, my goodness, I’m so overwhelmed in this circumstance.” But we say that as you’re growing up, there is something unfolding for you, and that’s the power of your personal choice. Now that you know this, what are you going to do? And we start off small, so we want to build up their self-esteem. So we start off small and we encourage them in small accomplishments because we want to build up the sense of, “I can do it, I am incapable.” And so with things increasingly becoming difficult, their self-esteem is growing along the way as well. So then they’re able to. They’re able to. I love what you said before about hope because that’s one of my favourite verses is, “Return to your fortresses, you prisoners of hope, for I shall yet reward you.” I think that’s how it goes. But I love that because I feel that I am, in a way, a prisoner of hope because I want what is best for young people and for society. And it’s not always a smooth journey. And anybody working in a not-for-profit knows it’s not always a smooth journey. Also, in working with young people who are in really tough circumstances, it’s not always smooth because sometimes they go backwards and you have to help them come forward.
Brendan Corr
Yeah. It takes an extraordinary amount of strength to hold the line and persevere when you’re dealing with such important and yet fragile ideas as somebody’s self-identity, their self-perception. It can be so precious, but so frail as well, can’t it? And holding yourself in a position of strong compassion not to be discouraged or deterred by obstacles or disappointments, but to continue to lean in and invest in those lives. How do you find that strength in yourself, Rumbi, to keep showing up?
Rumbi Mabambe
So my strength is in my faith because I do believe that God’s hand is in it. The program itself is not a Christian program, it’s not aligned to any religion. And when, in the program, we talk about the spiritual me, we want young people to recognise that that aspect of them exists. But I truly draw strength from God and from the knowledge of Jesus’ love for humanity, and that His love, remains unshaken. It remains unshaken through all our lives our circumstances and our decisions. And so that’s where I’ll be drawing my strength from.
Brendan Corr
That’s a beautiful thing. Again, without putting words in your mouth, what’s speaking to my heart, as I hear you, is that you genuinely feel like you are living the gospel. “For God so loved the world,” that he reached out to make a difference, and to bind up the brokenhearted and to preach liberty to the captives and to make a difference for those that are the victim of circumstances, that they’re not trapped by that definition of, “That’s all I am, a victim of circumstance, and I’ll never be any different. I’ll never rise above.” That there is an inherent dignity that they carry as created in the image of God, that He wants to make a difference in their lives and He wants to give them hope and purpose, meaning and dignity. And that’s a beautiful thing. If that gospel is the thing that you are carrying into your work, whether it carries the badge of a Christian organisation or whether you can share Bible verses or not, that is the heart of the gospel. Would you agree?
Rumbi Mabambe
Yeah, I would agree. And there’ll be many people who are many Christians that work in a non-Christian environment. And I think the strength of the gospel and the strength of our faith is that we carry it in us. So we can be confident in the outworking of our work that if we are doing it in our heart, we are doing it for God. Even in the circumstances we are going through at work, we can bring them before God prayerfully. And we know that He is at work in all the circumstances. That gives me great hope.
Brendan Corr
Yeah, that is wonderful. So you are making the implication, Rumbi, that for you, education has an element where it’s vocational and you’re learning skills. But real education is something that allows you to see yourself with clarity and with a degree of self-assurance to step into not just doing things in the world but being a person in the world. Is that two grand a description of what you’re trying to do?
Rumbi Mabambe
I’m so glad that came through because that is the truth. It’s about a different kind of education, but an important education. It goes beyond learning about just the physical and our digestive system and goes beyond intellectual learning. But you are actually learning about yourself and how your life experiences have shaped you to be who you are today and the choices available for you as you step into the future. And it’s a rare learning. I think some of it, we used to have it in our social processes when we were growing up. In my culture, there are people around you that try and impart a learning that is not through your parents. But we lose that as society becomes more individualised and therefore, no one’s having conversations with young people. No one sits around the dinner table and says, “How was your day?” And unpacks an interaction with a peer. It doesn’t happen as often as… I think we assume. I think a lot of us are watching TV while we eat, and then we’re going to bed. So we are not really talking to each other.
Brendan Corr
Yes. That’s a beautiful thing. And again, what I’m picking up in those last few comments of yours is that while this personal understanding… “Grounded in knowledge of self,” was a phrase you used earlier in our conversation, and you’ve been highlighting the absolutely essential nature of that sort of education for these kids that are vulnerable or in difficult circumstances, challenging circumstances. But I think you’re also saying that that should be the fundamental education for any of us, that whether we enjoy the privilege of opportunity, whether we can go to a good school in the part of Sydney or another capital city if all we have is an education about books and numbers and letters and maths, then we’ve had an education that is not as rich as it should be.
Rumbi Mabambe
Absolutely. It’s an education for all of us. Even adults, when I explain what I do for work, say, “Wow, I wish somebody had actually taught me that. I wish somebody had spoken to me about that.” Because it’s an essential work. And at the moment, we are working with young people that are disadvantaged because that’s where the need is greatest. And sadly, that is where also the funding is greatest. Because if I speak to an everyday school and I say, “Well, I think this would be a great learning for young people,” it’s like, “Well, how do we fit it into the curriculum? There really isn’t time.” And I think that’s because the value of it is still unfolding. I think COVID has helped us to sit up and say, “Our path into an online world is not without its disadvantages.” And we’re able to see the really drastic statistics around young people’s mental health because of being online for such a long time without that interaction with each other. That is actually not an ideal world for us as human beings. We are relational. We need each other. And it is also true for mums that gave birth during COVID and didn’t have the mums groups. There was a higher risk of mental health because you didn’t have interaction with each other. And it’s part of what we are offering in our programme is that ability to sit together and have conversations and realise that you are not alone, there’s a commonality of issues or experiences that we go through as human beings and that they pass.
Brendan Corr
Rumbi, as I’m listening to you, I’m reflecting on the significance of what you’re describing and the notion that so much of our recent world, our recent society, at least in the West, has emphasised individualism. You, the individual, your identity, your success, your opportunities, your preferences, your self-expression. Your self-definition, even to take it to extreme. And you’re presenting a much more complex notion of identity than just the self, that we exist most fully in community. And wherever there might be the disregarding of relationships, whether it’s family relationships or friendships or the connections that we form at school or at work where we don’t understand the social ecology that we’re part of, we’re less fully ourselves. Then when we do see that, it’s conversation and dialogue and interaction that helps us know ourselves.
Rumbi Mabambe
And this is where we know ourselves, where we see ourselves reflected in others when we have conversations and we get an understanding of who we are in the group, not as the individual. We can know ourselves as individuals, but it leads to a real aloneness. And that’s where we see young people beginning to feel that they don’t belong. They have no sense of, “I belong here,” because we don’t have the society around them giving them a sense of belonging.
Brendan Corr
That is so true, isn’t it? The very definition of belonging requires there’s something to be outside ourselves. We can’t belong to ourselves. If we belong, it has to involve others. And just thinking back to the words of God at the creation, that it is not good for people to dwell alone. That is not the best. Being yourself isn’t enough, even in God’s estimation and the wonderful gift that He gave us of community and society that enriches who we are.
Rumbi Mabambe
And even the verse that says, “Must not give up on meeting, as some are in the habit of doing.” Sometimes we take that to mean we must not give up going to church, but actually, we must not give up being together. We must be together.
Brendan Corr
Amen. That’s a profound thought, isn’t it? The meeting is just not being in the same physical location. It’s allowing my heart to meet your heart and my life to meet your life and vice versa. That’s profound. It makes me actually think, that we were talking a bit about privilege a little earlier that came into the conversation and the notion of those who are provided opportunities as opposed to those who don’t. And I’m thoughtful now, as we’re talking, that even some of those wonderful opportunities to have first-class leading education that is teaching you to do things and to have skills, maybe it’s not so much a privilege if it’s putting up barriers and it’s putting up facades that stop you from really meeting other people or being quiet enough to know yourself in a way. And for these young people whose life circumstances have prevented them from having so much, apparently, beneficial noise and then a voice like yours or your organisations that is coming in and speaking truth to who they are. That’s almost a privilege of a different nature, of a more valuable nature.
Rumbi Mabambe
I would hope so. And I think that the young people who have been through Learning Ground programs become young people who actually belong. And they come to Learning Ground to share their good news. We’ve got alumni that come with their babies because they found a place where they could learn a different kind of learning. And what you said earlier about sometimes the privilege of learning closing us off is very true because it takes away empathy as well because we don’t understand why others just don’t get on and do it. And that could be because we never sat and actually got to understand them or got to know their circumstance. I think part of my learning was that my dad, worked for the mines and he did all right. So I had one type of life while I was at school. But I had to go to my grandmother’s every school holidays, and the holidays were a month and she was in the rural areas. And my mum always emphasised the humanity of each individual, no matter their background or circumstance or what they’re bringing to the table. And she always instructed us, and encouraged us to relate beyond the superficial things. So she would say, “Well, it’s great that you’re doing so well in school, but when you go and talk to this person who’s not doing so well, that’s not the conversation you’re going have. So what conversation are you going to have?” So challenging us to put ourselves in another’s position and learn and acknowledging that we learn from everybody around us.
Brendan Corr
This leads me to a question that I’ve been wondering, as I’m hearing you describe the beautiful program you’re part of. What does success look like for you? When you have a child that comes into your different way of thinking and they hear these wonderful truths about who they are and what they can do to change their perspective and their outlook on life, what’s the fruit of that? What is the product?
Rumbi Mabambe
They come to us in so many different circumstances. I see success as when a young person believes that they can. If they believe that they can do it and they believe that they are lovable, there is something in them that can be loved and there is something in them that is capable, then they’re able to move on to the next stage in their life and to actually find opportunities for themselves.
Brendan Corr
So it’s about their sense of ownership, their identity. That is truly the product that you’re looking for. It’s not stepping into a vocational training programme, it’s not mastering some sort of test.
Rumbi Mabambe
Those are great. We look at those. They’re good indicators: “Have they finished school? Have they gone on to do something else?” But for me personally, it’s about how they’re feeling about themselves as they step out into the world. Do they have that confidence that is intrinsic to them? Because for a lot of young people, we can’t change the circumstances in which they’re living. A lot of them are in very difficult circumstances. Some of them are in care. We can’t change that. Under the care of the minister. But can they go forward with a level of confidence in the world that they are able? That’s it. That’s enough.
Brendan Corr
Rumbi, it’s beautiful. It’s so lovely to hear the heartfelt passion that you have for this, and what appears to be a very deep sense of vocation and call upon your life on your ministry in this area of service. I wonder whether or not you can see any parallels, any points of contrast, any connections between your training as an agricultural economist and figuring out how to make profits through growing things on farms and harvests, and a different harvest that God has called you to be part of sowing and reaping?
Rumbi Mabambe
That’s actually a very hard question. I have let go of my agri-economics background. I am thinking of society and how it works together. I’m reflecting on God’s heart for humanity and His unwavering love for humanity and how it’s outworked. And it is unfortunate, I think, in some ways that the way the world has evolved, it seems just really easy to dismiss Christianity. And yet, what God offers us in that relationship is something that can carry us through the toughest circumstances. So even in my work, I recognise. Sometimes I really say to myself that we talk about their spiritual self and I really want to talk to them about the spiritual self that is Christ. And I don’t, but I want to because I believe that is what is a real lasting grounding in who you are. Because each of us in our minds, we have a propensity to be so hard on ourselves, but Jesus offers us a different way. And He offers us a loving voice, He offers us a path to living in real communion with God. So I think that’s where I am at in my thinking as I’m growing as a Christian.
Brendan Corr
I hear your story and I can’t help but draw a parallel when Christ went to a bunch of professional fishermen and he said, “Come follow me and I’ll make you fishers of men.” I feel that He’s done the same to you that He said, “You know what? You want to be involved in agriculture and growing those sorts of things. Come follow me. I’ll help you grow people and I’ll help them. I’ll help bring a harvest of a different type.” And I hope that you have that same sense of genuine commission from the Heavenly Father for the work that you are doing. It sounds very clear that you are about to help make significant changes in how many young people feel about themselves, understand themselves and experience in a very practical way, the genuine love of God. Thank you for your time in our conversation this afternoon. I really appreciate you investing so much, and we’ll be continuing to pray that God strengthens you for the work He’s called you to do.
Rumbi Mabambe
Thank you. Thank you for having me on the podcast, Brendan. I really enjoyed my conversations. And I think the way you also summarised the words in the questions, actually brings a different light to me. It shows me a different way of seeing the work, which has been really good for me. Thank you.
Brendan Corr
Well, I’m pleased that you enjoyed it. I certainly did too. And we look to God for more good things in the future.
Rumbi Mabambe
Thank you.
